The shroud of Turin is not the cloth that wrapped jesus, it is far too young. I've been following it since catholic school. The history channel also does tonnes of programs on UFO's, but I think that that subject will be met with more disagreement than our current exchange.
I would certainly not seek to argue with you at all Kasim, and I'm not anti-christ per se, and we could certainly get into disagrement over moses, or noah, or adam and eve for that matter. My issue is with the factual aspect of everything that the church has been so absorbed by. This will be an eternal argument because no-one can prove it either way. My point is he is a symbol, and we have become lost as a society in the symbols and not the message.
I would sooner believe that jesus christ was in fact the dalai lama. That the three kings were those sent accross the world to find him and that at the age of 12 he was taken away and taught. He returned at 30 and started to teach. Because, when you take all the books including the gnostics texts, and if we could have access to everything that was left out during Constantine's time, and, as I keep saying these posts, if you read for yourself and not what the institution tells you, you find that jesus was teaching inward doctrine. He was teaching buddhist philosophy.
You and I agree on something far more improtant... BE GOOD. That's all there is too it. But for the weak of mind, monotheism is a tool of control which is why the symobls must be removed and the lessons brought back. You don't scare me Kasim, it's the ones that stage rallies at soldiers funerals that do. Or the obvious suicide bombers. Those guys have nothing to loose, which is why you don't see the clerics or leaders doing it. And the saddest part is that it has over time reached into other areas... patriotism. God and country! One of most sickening bumper stickers I've seen recently - "Never forget, never forgive" - where's the christianity in that?! There's nothing wrong with belonging, but now they taint it with belonging to a belief systems as well.
But I believe we should exist on a much higher level, with a much greater sense of belonging, a patriotism if you will... and that is as humans that occupy a planet. We're all earthlings and part of the same system. But this will remain a mere fantastical ideology so long as we are trapped in the symbols of our past.
I have to throw Campbell in, sorry:
"Read myths. They teach you that you can turn inward, and you begin to get the message of the symbols. Read other people's myths, not those of your own religion, because you tend to interpret your own religion in terms of facts -- but if you read the other ones, you begin to get the message."
I love how a simple question can produce all our answers!!