What is the most outrageous arguments that you have gotten that there is a god?

Katherine Bourgerie 2229

It's not "I'm crazy for cocoa puffs" that you scream when you are reaching orgasm. You asked...

Kimberly Caley New Brain

Actually, the most outrageous thing I have heard is that the world and people and the uniquely balanced eco-system in which we live was created by "accident." Two particles in space collided and some how, by accident created the earth, with water, land and an environment capable of sustaining life and people with the ability to "think."

So basically if I throw two small pieces of rock in a vacuum they will eventually collide and create life? Doesn't that sound crazier than believing that there might actually be a "force", "a god" or "power greater than ourselves" who actually put all things together in such a way? How can just the right balance of oxygen, water and light (just close enough to the sun, but not too far) be a complete and total "accident."

Yes, evolution is not exactly right. If we came from apes, there would still be something between us and apes, still evolving. I do believe in adaptation, but again this is something that was created with life. Life adapts to changing environment, but does not evolve in the scientific explanation.

I would rather believe and be wrong, the not believe and be wrong. The consequences to your daily life suffer through lack of faith in something even if it's just faith in the man in the mirror.

Bryan Mullins 1271

I have been thinking about this question all day and I have come to a conclusion. What is truly outrageous is the expectation of proof. No one could "prove" to anyone else that there is a god. Just as there are many other beliefs that cannot b proven.
For example, give this a thought; can you "prove" there was an American civil war? Really think about it. I know you would be hard pressed to find one who doesn't believe it occurred but that isn't proving. Could you if requested show the event actually happening? I thought not. What other proof could there be? Battlefields, monuments, and artifacts...sorry that’s not proof that’s evidence of its occurrence.
My point here is that anyone who asks for proof of god would accept nothing less that seeing a being performing acts that only a god would be able to do. And even that I doubt they would accept.
So you want proof of god, it’s an outrageous question, so all answers will be outrageous. If what you actually want is evidence, I would give it to you but you would just ignore it, laugh, and call it outrageous.

Unknown Brain New Brain

I read some of the answers... Metaphors, ignorance, stupidity, faith, proof, theory......


"THE" answer insults your (and mine also) self proclaimed and randomly justified, intelligence. When looking at any "system" all elements must be accounted for... I believe the "Scientific Method" requires that to fully render an answer.

As of today .... The most thorough, the simplest, and most plausible answer is that Yes Antoniea Richardson there is One true God.

As you take the time to answer the question for yourself.... not because i say so... not because your friends and acquaintances say not to. You Antoniea Richardson are offered the choice...
Baked Potatoe or "Crisps" Chicken or Fish... An eternity meeting your own needs or an eternity having every possible need met. it is a simple choice....

I personally have no preconcieved notion or bend ... If there is a God then i want to know If there is not a God then I want to know... I really just want to know... IT is a simple question are you hungry? Do you think she/he is nice... Do you like that color blue...? a simple simple question just like any other.... Back to the "Scientific Method".. what can we observe ...

What i have found and increasingly more often as i inquire, observe, and test the world around me is that humans such as you and I are entirely inadequate in "creating" "making" anything approximating a Physical Law (think Physics) we can't even govern ourselves consistlently (both individually and collectively) let alone define, legislate and impose a law of our own making on everyone and everything.

The preponderence of evidence points to a creator neither you or i have to like it or HIM... One way to ask the question is this... How much of everything that there is to know do humans know right now today.... Here in the not too distant past "Secular" Science posited that they may have been wrong about the age of the Universe... Instead of 30 Billion years it might be 15 Billion... point being that humans change what they believe to be true quite frequently... Or is that what they WANT to be true that i speak of....

In closing ... If you investigate the "evidence" as it exists you will be presented a choice... If you weigh the evidence without bias with out pride and fear ... you will only be left with one reasonable conclusion. I have many examples thoughts and observations that I would be happy to share or discuss with you. BUT as i believe one of the first posts says if "We" you and I have already determined our answer... to not accept the truth - OR - more accurately are determined to "make" define our own truth the issue need not be discussed further... Thanks Peter

Jonathan Neuenschwander New Brain

You cannot prove God exists, and you cannot prove that God does not exist.

The Bible is not, nor was it ever meant to be a scientific book. It doesn't provide scientific explanations for the beginning of the world/universe. It provides an account of the force (God) who is believed to have started it and the manner in which it started--by His desire to create it.

Believing in the claims of the Bible and in the person of Jesus Christ is not a question for empirical testing (though it may have been around 2000 years ago). It is now a question of history. The only "proof" about Christ and whether or not he was resurrected is a question of the testimony found in historical documentation and testimony. Historical investigation is a matter of testimony, documentation, physical evidence (when available, but not the sole means to establish an assertion), conjecture based on probability, and then a decision on the matter.

After investigation into these things have taken place, then it is incumbent upon the investigator (you and me) to decide whether or not it is reasonable to believe that the they actually took place and whether or not it is reasonable to put any stock into the claims of the Bible.

I have investigated (though I don't yet have ALL the answers, nor would I be so arrogant as to say that i am able to answer all questions and now KNOW these things to be true) and continue to investigate and have found that it is indeed reasonable to BELIEVE in the claims of the Bible.

Most people get hung up on whether or not God created the world/universe in six days and how old the world is. The account was not written by an astronomer, geologist, physicist, or any other scientist. So people need to quit putting the Bible's account of how the world began to a scientific test. The question that should be asked is not, "Is the Bible scientifically true?" The question should be, "What is true about the Bible?"

I am done.

Unknown Brain 2141

The argument you stated is not so much an argument for God, as much as it is a (terrible and ignorant) argument against evolution. I honestly try not to even argue religion any more. I personally am not too religious right now, but I am aware of the mysteriousness of life, and am not closed to the idea of some type of God. That said, most people who would argue religion are fundamentalist Christians, or some other type of lower form of intelligence, and they will twist your words and assume meanings that are just ridiculous to the point of making me want to smack them. I prefer to keep my spirituality to myself and let those fools believe what they will.

Unknown Brain 1353

It is pointless to even speak on this subject, but I will. The arguments that I heard is, #1 God exists in faith. #2 Look at this world, ask yourself who could of made this wonderful planet we live on. #3 What about the ghost, demons, angels and bla bla bla that has been experienced, including possession. #4 How can you explain miracles. And then some.

# TRANSCENDENTAL ARGUMENT, a.k.a. PRESUPPOSITIONALIST (I)
(1) If reason exists then God exists.
(2) Reason exists.
(3) Therefore, God exists.

# COSMOLOGICAL ARGUMENT, a.k.a. FIRST CAUSE ARGUMENT (I)
(1) If I say something must have a cause, it has a cause.
(2) I say the universe must have a cause.
(3) Therefore, the universe has a cause.
(4) Therefore, God exists.

# ONTOLOGICAL ARGUMENT (I)
(1) I define God to be X.
(2) Since I can conceive of X, X must exist.
(3) Therefore, God exists.

# ONTOLOGICAL ARGUMENT (II)
(1) I can conceive of a perfect God.
(2) One of the qualities of perfection is existence.
(3) Therefore, God exists.

# MODAL ONTOLOGICAL ARGUMENT
(1) God is either necessary or unnecessary.
(2) God is not unnecessary, therefore God must be necessary.
(3) Therefore, God exists.

# ARGUMENT FROM DESIGN, a.k.a. TELEOLOGICAL ARGUMENT (I)
(1) Check out the world/universe/giraffe. Isn't it complex?
(2) Only God could have made them so complex.
(3) Therefore, God exists.

# ARGUMENT FROM BEAUTY, a.k.a. DESIGN/TELEOLOGICAL ARGUMENT (II)
(1) Isn't that baby/sunset/flower/tree beautiful?
(2) Only God could have made them so beautiful.
(3) Therefore, God exists.

# ARGUMENT FROM MIRACLES (I)
(1) My aunt had cancer.
(2) The doctors gave her all these horrible treatments.
(3) My aunt prayed to God and now she doesn't have cancer.
(4) Therefore, God exists.

# MORAL ARGUMENT (I)
(1) Person X, a well-known atheist, was morally inferior to the rest of us.
(2) Therefore, God exists.

# MORAL ARGUMENT (II)
(1) In my younger days I was a cursing, drinking, smoking, gambling, child-molesting, thieving, murdering, bed-wetting bastard.
(2) That all changed once I became religious.
(3) Therefore, God exists.

# ARGUMENT FROM CREATION, a.k.a. ARGUMENT FROM PERSONAL INCREDULITY (I)
(1) If evolution is false, then creationism is true, and therefore God exists.
(2) Evolution can't be true, since I lack the mental capacity to understand it; moreover, to accept its truth would cause me to be uncomfortable.
(3) Therefore, God exists.

# ARGUMENT FROM FEAR
(1) If there is no God then we're all going to not exist after we die.
(2) I'm afraid of that.
(3) Therefore, God exists.

# ARGUMENT FROM THE BIBLE
(1) [arbitrary passage from OT]
(2) [arbitrary passage from NT]
(3) Therefore, God exists.

# ARGUMENT FROM INTELLIGENCE
(1) Look, there's really no point in me trying to explain the whole thing to you stupid atheists; it's too complicated for you to understand. God exists whether you like it or not.
(2) Therefore, God exists.

# ARGUMENT FROM UNINTELLIGENCE
(1) Okay, I don't pretend to be as intelligent as you guys — you're obviously very well read. But I read the Bible, and nothing you say can convince me that God does not exist. I feel him in my heart, and you can feel him too, if you'll just ask him into your life. "For God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son into the world, that whosoever believes in him shall not perish from the earth." John 3:16.
(2) Therefore, God exists.

# ARGUMENT FROM BELIEF
(1) If God exists, then I should believe in Him.
(2) I believe in God.
(3) Therefore, God exists.

# ARGUMENT FROM INTIMIDATION, a.k.a. TOMAS DE TORQUEMADA'S ARGUMENT
(1) See this bonfire?
(2) Therefore, God exists.

# PARENTAL ARGUMENT
(1) My mommy and daddy told me that God exists.
(2) Therefore, God exists.

# ARGUMENT FROM NUMBERS
(1) Billions of people believe in God.
(2) They can't all be wrong, can they?
(3) Therefore, God exists.

# ARGUMENT FROM ABSURDITY
(1) Maranathra!
(2) Therefore, God exists.

# ARGUMENT FROM ECONOMY
(1) God exists, you bastards!
(2) Therefore, God exists.

# BOATWRIGHT'S ARGUMENT
(1) Ha ha ha.
(2) Therefore, God exists.

# DORE'S ARGUMENT
(1) I forgot to take my meds.
(2) Therefore, I AM CHRIST!!
(3) Therefore, God exists.

# ARGUMENT FROM GUITAR MASTERY
(1) Eric Clapton is God.
(2) Therefore, God exists.

# ARGUMENT FROM INTERNET AUTHORITY
(1) There is a website that successfully argues for the existence of God.
(2) Here is the URL.
(3) Therefore, God exists.

LOL LOL. It realy doesnt matter if you believe or not. The world you live in is going to Sh**t anyway. So enjoy your demise.

Unknown Brain 1556

empiricist materialists have no reason to believe there is a god, which is why so many of them choose atheism as their religion.

Religion is the seeking of a unifying principle, after all. For some the unifying principle is Newtonian physics, for others the Grand Unification Theory, others String Theory, still others choose God.

theists don't want to define God (or much of anything; sad, really), so they stick to the Bible, usually including the retarded 6000 year-old earth theory. the problem is that the athiests tend to think that the theist's definition of God is correct when they have no evidence to do so.

God = Existence. I AM. An unthinking, uncaring principle of Being (as opposed to Becoming, or Chaos). The Bible is a psychological metaphor for personal unification of the universe. It's a metaphor. A fabrication designed to be used as a tool with which one may gain a better understanding of the world.

Science is a metaphorical tool as well, mind you. Gravity comes from the latin "gravitas," meaning "heaviness." When Newton posited the existence of a non-material, "mystical" force of "heaviness" he was looked at as a fool-- until he demonstrated how useful it was to believe in it. We have since redefined (or rather, refined) our definition of Gravity, thanks to Einstein and Hawking, et al.

Let them have their metaphor; but don't go thinking yours is much better. Aristotle was at the top of the scientific game once, and his metaphor for reality was not as precise as Newton's, so we threw it out. If ever we think we're 100% correct, we stop testing it, we stop refining our metaphor.

So urge them to continue thinking and studying, rather than assuming they're correct. But don't bash them for it: believing in a broken metaphor is something we're all doing. We ALL just need to keep on testing them, improving them, making the metaphors less poetic and more precise.

Tyler Hughes New Brain

Simply put if anyone can provide any evidence at all that there is a "God" then it would be more believable. However no one can provide such evidence. Charles Darwin's T.O.E is a well written explanation of the existence of life. You say that: "....evolution states that we came from monkeys...if this was true then there would be no more monkeys...and there are still monkeys...so evolution is wrong and therefore...god exists." This is the most idiotic statement I have ever heard.
The primate families still exist because they have not reached a certain point OR have not evolved. Simply put any species will evolve into intelligence eventually. Back to the topic at hand. Unless someone can provide solid evidence that the idea of "God" exist, then that is all "God" is: An idea.

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Jonas Verhaevert 1809

I: so well if god created the earth in 4004 bc how do you explain the dinosaur bones that we dig up.
they: well god placed them there to test our fate.

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